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Poster: homelessjoe Date: Nov 30, 2005 9:17pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Change of news

I want to give credit to those who understand what this change brings. We still have access to plenty of non-SBD recordings just like it used to be back in the day. We didn't complain about what we had access to when it was strictly analog. If you had it and you could hear it there was no bitching about the source. We have been blessed with the advent of technology, but we have also been spoiled by it. Technology has turned some into greedy, selfish bastards who can't comprehend the reasoning behind corporate decisions. As far as I am concerned, it is still spreading the music of The Grateful Dead whether it is soundboard offerings or not. The quality may not always be there, but B.F.D. Its quite simple, if you don't want audience recordings, don't download them. I have seen the trading community fall apart over the last couple of years due to this new attitude possessed by most involved. Compared to some of us, you are still newbies because the mentality displayed by some (not all) is much to be desired. There used to be some respect in the community because you had to actually face people to hand a tape over until someone came up with the great idea of posting tape lists on-line. Every step that was made to improve trading and tape accessibility, lowered the standards and attitudes of most involved. Trading has become a faceless, almost personless transaction. Don't get me wrong, I love being able to download shows because of the overwhelming amount of content for use at our disposal, but all of these negative posts because people aren't getting what they want out of something is just sad. Like I said before, it has made us selfish. For people that seed shows to BitTorrent sites and for those who upload seeds to the archive deserve the utmost respect because they are continuing to give to the community whether it be Dead material or Sleater-Kinney. To go out and have to hassle with setting up a rig, making sure no one bumps into the stand, keeps his or her talking down to a minimum to avoid their mics picking up their voices and flawing their recording, and all to give it to us and some still criticize the quality and then the taper's integrity. This shit is hard work and as time goes by, it is less appreciated by people who haven't made the attempt to this for anyone let alone themselves. Before I turn this into a 50,000 word rambling of my disappointment with my own community, I will end it by saying three words that should be used for traders, bands decisions, and all the websites that make it possible for us to acquire such gems, soundboard and otherwise: RESPECT, APPRECIATE, PRAISE. Respect everyone amongst the community, appreciate what they do for you, and praise them for a hard job well done.

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Poster: laptaper Date: Dec 1, 2005 7:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Change of news


I can't say it better myself, better just let it be. :-)

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Poster: Ron2112 Date: Nov 30, 2005 9:51pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Change of news

I agree with most of this post. I think that the whole SBD vs AUD debate is a bit silly and anyone who automatically thinks a SBD will always be better has never heard the magic of a good AUD where you can hear the electricity of the reaction of the crowd with the band. Heck, one of my all-time favorite GD shows is 3/1/92, an AUD source, mainly due to the "Sugar Magnolia" where you can hear the crowd singing along with every word and just generally going nuts.

That being said, my main concern is that -- primarily due to the quality of AUD recordings going up as the years go by -- it appears the earlier years on the archive are pretty thin here. I'd would guess this is due to the SBDs sounding better in general, such that the AUDs were just not being posted. Hopefully, this will change in the coming weeks.


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Poster: fiyo fiyo Date: Dec 1, 2005 12:24am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Change of news

explain this to me... if the dead are so worried about the soundboards, then why aren't they available for d/l? they're only available to stream... don't they release people can't be infront of their computers all day? lol i mean seriously....

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Poster: Chris U. Date: Dec 1, 2005 8:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Change of news

"Compared to some of us, you are still newbies because the mentality displayed by some (not all) is much to be desired. There used to be some respect in the community because you had to actually face people to hand a tape over until someone came up with the great idea of posting tape lists on-line."

In addition to the stunning arrogance of the above comment, one is struck by absurdity of the "argument."

Apparently the Grateful Dead's sudden but completely rational (i.e., greed-based) "realization" that they must forbid the digital dissemination of soundboard recordings (I assume that analog dissemination is still permitted) should be greeted with applause they were "so generous for so long."

And to the extent that I react with shock and dismay over the 100% about-face in attitude by this once apparently benevolent band, it is because I haven't been around as Mr. Deader-Than-Thou, the guy responsible for the above quote.

News flash: you look really silly on your high horse.

You've just been chumped by the Grateful Dead and whether it's fanaticism or just plain cluelessness, your pretending that it's a GOOD THING.

What gives?

I really do suspect that some of the extreme buttkissing that is going on here is happening because of fears of being sued and shutting ALL Dead tape trading on the Internet down.

You really think that is going to happen? Are the remaining members of the Band and their attorneys that stupid as to to try and do that?

I don't think so. They may be naive but nobody is that freaking dumb.

It sure would be interesting to see how quickly 40 years of goodwill vanishes amidst a pile of intellectual property legal briefs.

Then again, based on what I see here today, I wouldn't be surprised to find a bunch of script-reciters saying, "The Dead are sueing us? Well, it's their right. They've been so generous for so long that it's about time they sued their fans. We should be happy that they waited so long before doing so."

This whole episode is really really really sad and it's getting sadder with every passing day.